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Subject:The fan base
Time:03:03 pm
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Okay, I have to admit from the start, I am a fan of The Dolls, and a remote acquaintance of the bandmembers. That being said, I don't really like their shows.  You see, earlier in the bands life, I didn't make it to so many shows as I'd've liked, but when I did make it, the atmosphere was different. Better. I seem to remember the crowd would perceive "audience participation" as involving more than swaying and playing karaoke at the top of their lungs. Maybe my memory is deluded by time, but the current crop of fans are so boring. As I recall, the Dolls played a show with The World Inferno Friendship Society a few years back, and the Dolls fans spent days afterward bitching about the mosh pits on the Dolls forums, blaming it on the Infernites. I say, fuck 'em. And I swear to god, if one more of them screams "YOU KNOW AMANDA?" at me, I'll kill them. She and I are not close. I don't have her number. I can't get you her used panties. Please fuck off. Thank you.
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neutronstar
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Time:2007-05-28 01:17 am (UTC)
YOU KNOW AMANDA CAN I GET HER PHONE NUMBER AND USED PANTIES?!?
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emmadilemma86
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Time:2007-08-29 12:31 pm (UTC)
lolz
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lorena_palin
Subject:Agreed
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Time:2008-12-05 01:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I gotta say, I wholeheartedly acgree.

I mean, I fucking lover her music. I do. I think she is really talented, a good songwriter, and a good performer (even if her fans think they're at the fucking opera, and even though she talks way to much). And I also think that if I were in school with her, or a musician/writer/artist in the same circle as her, I'm probably hang out with her.

But fuck- I am so disgusted with her fans, and the way she interacts with them. Like, most of them are whorish fan girls who just sort of cling onto her personality and music because they are insecure of their own shortcomings- and, my god, some of these fan artists are actually talented people, but by using Dresden Dolls imagery they are sort of voluntarily making themselves part of a brand, and I don't fucking like it one bit.

And personally I was part of that shit, and now I hate myself for it. I mean last night I ended up watching her little web cast thing. I mean she seamed cool and all...but why the fuck was I watching her and her mime crew make dinner? I mean I had better shit to do.

I could have been like, doing my own art or something, or practicing my own music- something productive and constructive...but I didn't. The whole thing is like crack, but in a bad way. Like why the fuck do people even care about that shit? I really didn't. I just got back from throwing up (not lying here...I actually did just vomit) because I was so disgusted by the whole thing. I mean some fanishness happens to everyone, and every celebrity, but it's like she's actually courting people to have an imaginary relationship with her. I'm fucking sick of it.

But the sad thing is, I still love her music. I'm not going to torch my CDs, I'm still going to ware my "Who killed Amanda Palmer" shirt and I'm still going to her shows. I might end up covering one or two of her songs even. I'm sick of all this fan shit though. On a personal level I'm gonna take a major AFP break...I might try to sell T-shirts or something in the "shameless self promotion" part of their forum, but not DD/AFP ones, but other than that I'm done with fangirling.

Thats my 10 cents...
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any_contingency
Subject:Re: Agreed
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Time:2008-12-05 03:12 pm (UTC)
I had nearly forgotten about this entry.
You make good points. On the one hand, It's truly fairly amazing the lengths Amanda will go to to make every one of her fans feel included. And it sure as hell isn't getting her the millions any faster, as Roadrunner seems to be Railroading her because of it, so I can only conclude it's genuine caring for the fans.
On the other hand, holy shit, she is becoming a HUGE part of all of their lives. I can hardly count how many young girls on the "ReBellyOn" forums credit Amanda as being solely responsible for their acceptance of their body image. All because she said "Wait, I don't look fat in that video", when the label said she did? I've seen the video multiple times. She's right. She doesn't look fat. But still, the most important part is she didn't tell the label, "Yeah, I look fat, and that's okay. Realistic body image is alright." She wasn't ACTUALLY being body-positive. She was being vain, and asserting her opinion of herself. She says that herself. I find her fans are taking this incident and spinning it the way they need it to look. That is okay, to a point, but putting something so important as positive body image entirely on one person only begs for catastrophe. What happens when they say something that you interpret as running counter to that view? Is your self-worth shattered? Do you then despise the artist? It will be interesting and potentially painful to see how this plays out. It's funny how many of these kids are brandy-new, and have not done their homework. They say, "We wish Amanda would start her own label!". They seem to forget that the first Dresden Dolls album was released on "Eight Foot Records", their own label. It seems to me when the smoke clears and it's evident that this label trouble nonsense could have been avoided by better choices in the beginning, how will they take it?
On another note, I saw her play in Boston at the Paradise on the 25th. The show was terrific. The act was tight, the music well performed, even the two that were lip-synced to emphasize the theatrical end and make up for the lack of sufficient instruments. The downside? Those motherfuckers don't even sway any more. Seriously, I was right in front of the stage, the venue was full, and people were behaving as though they were on the subway going home from their office jobs. With a minimum 6 inch gap between each person, for a moment I was questioning whether I was actually at a show or if the music was in my head, and I was hallucinating on the Red Line waiting for the whitecoats to come get me. Have these fucks never been to a concert? Push in, bitches, touch your neighbor. I say we need to put the *PUNK* back in punk cabaret. We need to get together 20 or so people to start mosh pits, and stage dive, and do all of the things that make concerts fun. Fuck with their yuppie fucking minds. Get them back in touch with reality. Make them stop putting one person on so high a fucking pedestal. And one of them will catch an elbow to the jaw, and finally have something worthwhile to cry about to all the other tools.
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lorena_palin
Subject:Re: Agreed
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Time:2008-12-05 08:58 pm (UTC)
Wait...shit? The 25th? Was that monday or tuesday? I was there the monday show. I tried to get people to do the devil horns/guido fist bump/clapping in the air- anything so that we could cram more people up front. Didn't work.

I'm not sure if she changed the set list, but part of the problem is that she would play 1-2 faster songs, that *might* get a few people clapping or something, and then switch to a slow song just as some people were starting to get into it. I mean her slow stuff is nice, but you really need to start fast, get people jazzed up, slow down midway through as people are getting a little tired, then fire it back up at the end.

I got so fed up that I waved a dollar at the bald danger ensemble guy during "coin operated boy" and made out with him. I'm not even gay, but fuck...you just gotta do these things sometimes. That's audience participation.
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